Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/11/1997 03:35 PM Senate STA

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                  SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                               
                         February 11, 1997                                     
                             3:35 p.m.                                         
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Lyda Green, Chairman                                                  
 Senator Jerry Ward, Vice-chair                                                
 Senator Jerry Mackie                                                          
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 Senator Jim Duncan                                                            
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 OVERVIEW AND REPORT:  GOV., BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS                            
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 68                                                            
 "An Act relating to the Task Force on Privatization; and providing            
 for an effective date."                                                       
                                                                               
      - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                
                                                                               
 PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                              
                                                                               
 SB 68 - No previous Senate committee action to report.                        
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 Cindy Smith                                                                   
 Coordinator, Boards and Commissions                                           
 Office of the Governor                                                        
 P.O. Box 110001                                                               
 Juneau, AK  99811-0001                                                        
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on Boards and Commissions           
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
 TAPE 97-3 , SIDE A                                                            
 Number 000                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN LYDA GREEN called the Senate State Affairs Committee                 
 meeting to order at 3:35 p.m. and announced Senator Duncan was                
 attending a Legislative Ethics hearing.  Senators Green, Ward,                
 Mackie, and Miller were present.  She announced SB 68 would be                
 delayed until Thursday, or the next meeting.  The first order of              
 business before the committee was an overview of the Governor's               
 boards and commissions.                                                       
                                                                               
                OVERVIEW: GOV'S BDS AND COMMISSIONS                            
                                                                               
 CINDY SMITH, Coordinator of Boards and Commissions in the Office of           
 the Governor, provided the following testimony to the committee.              
 There are presently 127 boards and commissions in state government            
 whose members are named, in whole or in part, by the Governor.  The           
 total public membership of those boards is 1,138 people.  Although            
 meeting schedules vary for each board, approximately 380 meetings             
 are held each year.  Boards and Commissions handles nominations for           
 various federal boards, Governor's task forces, and White House               
 conferences, which average between 100 and 250 individuals per                
 year.  The Boards and Commissions Office operations are large and             
 ongoing; information changes almost weekly as members resign or               
 terms expire.  An ongoing applicant base of 500 to 700 individuals            
 is kept, as well as an equal number of letters of endorsement for             
 candidates.  The Boards and Commissions Office also handles                   
 nominations for judgeships.  Since Governor Knowles took office,              
 there have been nominations for one District Court seat, eight                
 Superior Court seats, and two Supreme Court seats.  About 30 terms            
 expire each month, and between 10 and 25 letters of resignation are           
 received each quarter; those numbers vary widely from month to                
 month.  Most board members are not compensated; travel expenses are           
 not always covered.  Many boards meet via teleconference.  Almost             
 1200 people contribute their time and energy to state government on           
 a volunteer basis which makes government stronger.  Ms. Smith is              
 pleased with the amount of nominee participation, but believes that           
 involvement needs to be further encouraged and ensured as it is an            
 important component of a democracy.                                           
                                                                               
 Number 108                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN explained the committee scheduled this hearing to              
 get information on the nomination process, on the policy of                   
 replacing members, and to investigate potential savings and                   
 efficiencies through board mergers and repeals, because the                   
 Legislature would like to be informed and participate in the                  
 process to a greater extent than it currently does.  Chairman Green           
 referred to her request of the names of board members who were, and           
 were not, reappointed, and asked Ms. Smith why a list of those who            
 were not reappointed was not provided.                                        
                                                                               
 MS. SMITH responded her office does not retain that information.              
 Many inquiries or discussions about reappointments occur on the               
 telephone, and almost never in writing, probably because those                
 involved are volunteers and are busy.  If no written material is              
 received, there is no system in place to log contacts.  Information           
 is pertinent when an appointment is being deliberated, but not                
 after it is made.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 163                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked if any of the nominations are in written form.             
 MS. SMITH replied some board members and nominees send requests in            
 writing, but the majority of membership contacts occur on the                 
 telephone.  SENATOR WARD confirmed there are some requests in                 
 writing.  MS. SMITH agreed.  SENATOR WARD asked if those requests             
 were supplied to the committee.  MS. SMITH explained she would have           
 had to review two years of file information to determine which                
 members had written requests.                                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER believed a miscommunication occurred, and that the             
 information can be easily provided.  He clarified the committee was           
 asking whether there were people who had actually served on boards            
 who were not reappointed.  That information could be obtained by              
 providing annual or quarterly membership lists from prior years to            
 current membership lists.  That information would not disclose why            
 members were not reappointed, but would be an easy way to pull out            
 the information requested by Chair Green.                                     
                                                                               
 MS. SMITH verified those lists contain the dates of appointment,              
 and a review of membership reappointments at the time Governor                
 Knowles took office and would show about one-half were reappointed            
 from the former Administration.  Her office is interested in                  
 retaining competent members and is not necessarily looking for new            
 business in the administration of boards.  The boards, by and                 
 large, are administrative in their function, and require                      
 knowledgeable members.  She noted she does not have information on            
 the number of people who asked to be reappointed and believed that            
 information would be cumbersome to compile and would be inaccurate.           
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked whether the Boards and Commissions Office is             
 required to keep any information about previous appointees on file.           
 MS. SMITH responded all of the files from the former Administration           
 were archived so current files contain correspondence between                 
 current board members.                                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked if that information is kept on disc.  MS.                
 SMITH replied it is not.  CHAIRMAN GREEN stated she would still               
 like a list of the names of those members who were not reappointed.           
 MS. SMITH said she would see if that is possible.                             
                                                                               
 Number 206                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD said he appreciated Ms. Smith's opening remarks in               
 regard to the importance of public participation on boards and                
 commissions and believed if a process to ensure a fair sampling of            
 the public who want to participate in the boards and commission               
 process is not in place, review is necessary.  He was not sure                
 whether a problem with the nominee process exists, but expressed              
 concern with the lack of a record of phone contacts.                          
                                                                               
 MS. SMITH affirmed all applications are received in writing and are           
 accepted from anyone, anywhere, anytime.  She noted she gives                 
 boards and commissions workshops on request by anyone, and offered            
 to do so in Senator Ward's district. The vacancy rosters are mailed           
 to anyone who requests them.  She is currently working on the                 
 state's web page to provide the same information on the internet.             
 Her office has no interest in controlling who applies for board               
 memberships.  Her goal is to get the best and brightest Alaskans on           
 boards.  Regarding phone contact, her office encourages people to             
 write, but often people prefer to call.  Once a board appointment             
 is made, information about other nominees is no longer essential to           
 her office.  She repeated she could provide a summary of the names            
 of people who were retained, as that information is computerized,             
 but she does not have that kind of information for every individual           
 transaction.  She explained those transactions may number in the              
 thousands in the course of one year.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 240                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked Ms. Smith is she keeps a log of the names of               
 people who call her office who want to participate or be                      
 reappointed.  MS. SMITH replied she keeps that information in the             
 form of working notes while she is working on particular                      
 appointments, but after the appointments are made, she discards               
 them.  SENATOR WARD questioned why she does not retain the                    
 information.  MS. SMITH stated she does not because of the large              
 volume.  Her office receives many calls, and the information may no           
 longer be useful.  If a person is not reappointed and wants to                
 continue to serve on a board, she does her best to appoint that               
 person to a different board.                                                  
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN announced House State Affairs Chair James joined the           
 committee.                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked whether the public interest in board vacancies           
 is overwhelming, or whether it is difficult to find people to                 
 serve.  MS. SMITH replied it depends on the level of public                   
 interest in each board.  The public seats on licensing boards are             
 consistently some of the most difficult to fill and is one of the             
 areas with a shortage of applicants.  The number of applications              
 for some board vacancies is overwhelming.  When a vacancy is                  
 filled, all applicants receive a letter informing them of the                 
 appointment.                                                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked for the total number of boards and                       
 commissions.  MS. SMITH repeated the Governor appoints to 127                 
 boards and commissions, but that number fluctuates.  SENATOR MACKIE           
 asked how many seats are represented on those boards.  MS. SMITH              
 replied there were 1,132 public members at last count.                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE referred to the list of current board and commission           
 members and asked whether that list contained the names of everyone           
 currently serving on boards.  MS. SMITH answered the list contains            
 only the names of members who were reappointed; the board book                
 provided to committee members contains the names of all board                 
 members.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE questioned whether the listed vacancies are the                
 result of a lack of public interest.  He noted there are three                
 vacancies for public members on the Arts Council and three vacant             
 positions on the Juvenile Justice and Family Services Commission.             
 He also asked whether there are some boards with no membership, and           
 whether the vacancies on some boards render them unable to meet               
 because of the lack of a quorum.  He questioned whether the                   
 Administration has intentionally decided to not fill vacancies on             
 certain boards for specific reasons.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 330                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. SMITH responded, for the most part, the list in front of                  
 committee members will be history by the end of March.  The active            
 list is continually updated, and contains between 100 to 150                  
 vacancies because of term expirations and resignations.  Some                 
 positions are purposely kept vacant because they are optional                 
 seats.  The Arts Council had one member resign, and another died;             
 those vacancies will be filled before it meets at the end of the              
 month.  The Juvenile Justice Advisory Task Force vacancies are for            
 members under the age of 24; members in that age group tend to move           
 a lot so it is difficult to keep those seats filled.  The Human               
 Resource Investment Council is an example of a board with seats               
 purposely kept vacant.  Up to 26 seats can be appointed to that               
 Council: as seats are vacated, the statutorily required seats are             
 filled, the others are left vacant to save money.  Her office has             
 been discussing the possibility of a merger with members of the               
 Governor's Committee on People with Disabilities, the                         
 Rehabilitation Advisory Council, and a board named through the                
 Division of Vocational Rehabilitation on assistive technology.  The           
 Governor's Committee was statutorily established around the time of           
 Statehood.  The Rehabilitation Advisory Council was established by            
 the federal government about two years ago.  Both boards have very            
 similar missions.  The money saved from a consolidation of those              
 boards can be redirected to client services.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 368                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked if there is an effort in Ms. Smith's office to           
 identify boards that could be consolidated or eliminated to reduce            
 costs.  MS. SMITH replied, other than the previous example she                
 provided, the Athletic Commission has been unable to raise funds to           
 meet its statutory requirements for its duties, and the Citizens              
 Advisory in Federal Areas is in a holding pattern and is not                  
 proposed for funding in the Governor's budget.  Many of the boards            
 are working smarter, and are encouraged to meet by teleconference             
 and to meet at central locations.   She is also trying to encourage           
 more geographic diversity among board members to provide improved             
 statewide representation.                                                     
                                                                               
 CATHERINE REARDON, Director of the Division of Occupational                   
 Licensing (DOL) in the Department of Commerce and Economic                    
 Development, informed committee members DOL works with 20 of the              
 127 boards.  Licensing boards vacancies are some of the more                  
 difficult to fill.  In her experience at DOL, the Governor's Office           
 has asked her to pass along names and encourage any interested                
 individuals to call the Boards and Commissions Office.  There is a            
 legislative process for review of the occupational licensing boards           
 to determine whether those boards continue to fulfill their                   
 functions.  Six boards are up for expiration in June, 1997.  The              
 Legislative Budget and Audit Division also reviews those boards and           
 legislation for extension will be introduced.  On the subject of              
 the Athletic Commission, the Governor proposed legislation two                
 years ago to eliminate that Commission.  That proposal was part of            
 one of the Governor's omnibus bills that did not pass the                     
 Legislature.  Draft legislation to remove that board, and to reduce           
 the regulation of boxing, has been prepared.  A second alternative            
 is to bring the Athletic Commission under sunset review, as it                
 predates the sunset process.  Most licensing boards meet twice per            
 year and vacancies do not usually inhibit a board's ability to                
 function.  Vacancies are usually filled prior to the next meeting.            
 She believed the Administration's effort to establish more                    
 geographic diversity among board members has been helpful in                  
 bringing a variety of perspectives to meetings.                               
                                                                               
 Number 451                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER stated many of the boards are political in nature,             
 for example the Board of Education which undergoes a wholesale                
 change when Administrations change, and that is to be expected but            
 in his opinion, some boards should not be political in nature, for            
 example, the Permanent Fund Board.  He believes professional                  
 licensing boards are non-political in nature, yet wholesale changes           
 in membership occurred and many members were dumped mid-term while,           
 according to Ms. Smith, those vacancies are difficult to fill.  He            
 asked why many members of those boards were asked to leave mid-term           
 and asked Ms. Smith to correct any erroneous information he may               
 have received, but noted he is disturbed that members of non-                 
 political boards were asked to leave mid-term.  He repeated the               
 committee and Legislature need hard numbers to resolve this                   
 question, especially since many regulatory board members need                 
 legislative confirmation.                                                     
                                                                               
 MS. SMITH responded she will have to review files to compile the              
 information.  She suspected many changes to the regulatory boards             
 could be attributed to public or professional concerns, and did not           
 feel competent to address the legal issue of which boards serve at            
 the pleasure of the Governor.  She stated different Administrations           
 have different philosophical approaches to service delivery or                
 working style, which can account for membership changes.  She noted           
 situations arise among board members that require the Governor's              
 attention, such as the State Medical Board member who had a                   
 relationship with a client.  She refuted the idea that wholesale              
 membership changes occur for political reasons only.                          
                                                                               
 Number 510                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER repeated the committee needs to know the reasons for           
 the wholesale changes made to boards, particularly the regulatory             
 boards.  He stated it is usually beneficial to have some continuity           
 on those boards.                                                              
                                                                               
 MS. REARDON commented on the few boards that have been                        
 substantially changed, at least one member was maintained to                  
 provide continuity.  From her perspective, board member removals              
 were related to public concerns or policies related to the                    
 profession, not to electoral politics.                                        
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN indicated she would like to know the specific                  
 problems that were occurring that warranted replacement of so many            
 regulatory board members.  She also asked for a list of the board             
 seats which are being kept vacant and whether the members of those            
 boards know of that intention.  MS. SMITH replied those board                 
 members are almost certainly aware of the reason for the continued            
 vacancies.                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE questioned whether members who are removed or not              
 reappointed are notified as to the reason.  He is concerned about             
 the citizens who have volunteered a substantial amount of time and            
 are suddenly removed.  MS. SMITH stated ultimately, the choice to             
 remove or replace a board member is up to the Governor, however               
 procedurally, those people are notified in writing, and she also              
 tries to contact them by phone.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 545                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked if anyone within the Administration is                   
 actively reviewing whether any boards can be eliminated or                    
 consolidated.  MS. SMITH replied there are several people looking             
 at boards to see what they are doing, and OMB is predisposed to               
 review board activities.  To the degree that any efficiencies in              
 state government can be achieved, either through combination or               
 reduction of mission, the Administration is on the alert.                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE commented there will always be a constituency for              
 every board, and expressed concern that everyone involved act                 
 responsibly in the attempt to become more efficient.  He endorsed             
 Senator Green's statement that the Legislature is willing to help             
 achieve some of those efficiencies.  He asked if a description of             
 the functions of the boards and a list of which boards were                   
 statutorily created is available.  MS. SMITH replied a book was               
 provided to the committee chair that describes each board's                   
 function, memberships, number of meetings, and contact information.           
 Those books are available to the public.  She indicated many more             
 boards, other than the regulatory boards, have sunset provisions              
 that provide for legislative review, and the Legislative Budget and           
 Audit report contains recommendations about specific boards.                  
                                                                               
 Number 582                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN indicated she would like copies of correspondence              
 sent to people who were removed from boards and a list of those               
 boards whose members serve at the Governor's pleasure.                        
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-3, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 590                                                                    
                                                                               
 Referring to the third question in her correspondence to Ms. Smith,           
 CHAIRMAN GREEN stated she would still like to know if there are               
 problems board members request her office to resolve, such as                 
 changes to the composition or organization of a board, or problems            
 working with an executive director, that she cannot resolve.  She             
 asked the number of active applicant names that are kept.  MS.                
 SMITH answered about 500.                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked whether a written procedure exists for deciding            
 which board members will be retained when a wholesale change in               
 membership occurs and whether all board members decide who should             
 be retained for the sake of continuity.                                       
                                                                               
 MS. REARDON believed the decision about who is retained is                    
 ultimately up to the Governor.  She meant, by her previous                    
 statement about continuity, that generally, one person who has been           
 seated for awhile is retained so that one member knows the history            
 of previous board actions.  She believed the Governor and his staff           
 do the most responsible job they can to ensure board members are              
 chosen based on the strengths and skills they bring to the boards.            
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD agreed continuity is important, and questioned whether           
 its importance warrants legislative participation in determining              
 procedures to ensure it occurs.  MS. SMITH said she was                       
 uncomfortable answering the question because the Constitution sets            
 out certain appointment authorities.  She reiterated that her                 
 office tries to be sensitive to the fact that it is not in the                
 public's best interest to completely replace all board members but            
 the decisions behind replacements is within the province of the               
 Office of the Governor.  No one has objected to the choices of the            
 members that were retained.  The level of competence of members was           
 high and was not a factor in the changes.                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD clarified he was questioning whether a retention                 
 policy exists because he thought a systematic procedure was                   
 undertaken.  He added he does not disagree with the political                 
 nature of the system.                                                         
                                                                               
 MS. REARDON commented, from her perspective in DOL, very few boards           
 underwent changes for reasons other than term expirations and those           
 dates are staggered by law to facilitate continuity.  She got the             
 impression the committee believes wholesale changes were made to              
 regulatory boards, which was far from the case.                               
                                                                               
 Number 508                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked Ms. Reardon to supply her with a written                 
 report on specific removals and reappointments that occurred                  
 simultaneously to the Alcohol Beverage Control Board, the Board of            
 Dental Examiners, the State Medical Board, the Psychologists'                 
 Board, the Real Estate Appraisers' Board and the Real Estate                  
 Commission.                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. REARDON replied the statistics on when members were reappointed           
 can be provided, but the report on why those decisions were made is           
 in the Governor's purview, as he is the appointing official.                  
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked her to review the broad change that occurred             
 and provide the numbers of those replaced on the specific boards              
 she referred to.                                                              
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN commented she was told two or three professional               
 regulatory boards have had difficulty meeting because of a lack of            
 a quorum due to unfilled vacancies.  She would provide Ms. Smith              
 with the names of those boards at a later date.  She referred back            
 to the list of vacancies, to review which boards might provide                
 opportunities for mergers or repeal and questioned whether an                 
 omnibus bill or separate bills would be introduced.  MS. SMITH was            
 unsure which mechanism would be used.                                         
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN stressed the importance of getting information from            
 the Boards and Commissions Office because although each legislator            
 may feel strongly about at least one board, he/she may know nothing           
 about most other boards.  She asked about the Community Service               
 Commission.  MS. SMITH advised the Community Service Commission is            
 federally mandated and was founded to distribute Americorps                   
 Funding.  The vacancies on the board are optional seats and the               
 Commission has plenty of members to provide a quorum.  CHAIRMAN               
 GREEN asked whether its funding source is federal.  MS. SMITH                 
 replied it is.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 460                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked how much money that commission appropriates each           
 year.  MS. SMITH did not have that number with her.  SENATOR WARD             
 questioned whether the Take Pride in America Program is affiliated            
 with that Commission.  MS. SMITH answered the Americorps Program              
 provides funds to local providers for programs such as SAGA, and              
 repeated she was not familiar with the amount of funds distributed.           
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked if current Commission members are aware the              
 vacant seats will not be filled, and whether those vacancies impact           
 that Commission in any way.  MS. SMITH answered the Commission                
 meets about three times per year.  The federal mandate does not               
 specify the number of members, but allows membership to be between            
 15 and 25 individuals.  CHAIRMAN GREEN repeated her concern that              
 current members be informed of the reason vacancies are not filled.           
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked about the Compensation Commission.  MS. SMITH            
 explained the State Officers' Compensation Commission was founded             
 to review and make salary recommendations for exempt positions.  It           
 has not received funding during the knowles Administration and is             
 inactive.  CHAIRMAN GREEN asked what would be required to activate            
 that Commission.  MS. SMITH replied the Commission used to have a             
 budget, but the Legislature zeroed it out.  CHAIRMAN GREEN asked if           
 that Commission is statutorily required.  MS. SMITH believed it is.           
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked whether all costs for federally mandated                 
 commissions, such as the Community Service Commission, are paid for           
 with federal funds.  MS. SMITH stated she is not familiar with the            
 funding mechanisms of all boards and commissions, but thought that            
 commission might receive a very small amount of state funds.                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked how many other boards might not require state            
 general funds.  MS. SMITH replied she could get the answer to the             
 Senator's question from OMB, and offered to additionally provide              
 him with a list of the federally mandated boards.  SENATOR MACKIE             
 asked if the state must participate on federally mandated boards to           
 qualify for funding.  MS. SMITH answered affirmatively.                       
                                                                               
 Number 404                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN mentioned she was previously a member of the                   
 Governor's Council on Handicapped and Gifted; a federally mandated            
 council.  In conversations with members of other boards, it became            
 obvious many boards have common threads and serve the same                    
 constituency.  She asked whether it is possible to create a balloon           
 board to oversee boards with similar missions to eliminate                    
 duplicative efforts, and still meet federal mandates.  MS. SMITH              
 said the answer is "sometimes."  One recent successful merger                 
 incorporated the Vocational Career Education Board, the JTPA Board            
 and two others into the Human Resource Investment Council.  In                
 trying to combine the Governor's Committee on Employment for People           
 with Disabilities, the Rehabilitation Advisory Council and the                
 Assistive Technologies Board, she worked with the regional office             
 of the federal government to obtain permission.                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN felt that is the right track because their issues              
 are combined.  MS. SMITH  clarified the vacancy list she provided             
 to the committee is a worksheet and may continue to reflect vacant            
 seats on the boards that have been merged so that people are not              
 unnecessarily bumped when a single, smaller board is created.  The            
 vacancies may, or may not, be the seats of members absorbed into              
 other boards.                                                                 
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked about the Federal Areas Citizens' Advisory               
 Committee.  MS. SMITH responded that Committee was originally                 
 formed as a temporary advisory agency in 1981.  Neither the                   
 Legislature nor the Governor's Office has currently appointed                 
 members to vacant seats.  CHAIRMAN GREEN affirmed the Governor's              
 Office has made no appointments to that board since 1996 and asked            
 how that board would be reactivated.  MS. SMITH said the board                
 would need a budget within DNR.                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked if each board and commission has a separate              
 budget within different departments.  MS. SMITH said most do have             
 a budget, the amounts vary considerably, and are in various                   
 departments.  She noted legislative oversight exists in the budget            
 arena as well.                                                                
                                                                               
 MS. REARDON explained in the case of licensing boards, an                     
 appropriation is made to the Division of Occupational Licensing.              
 Those funds come from licensing fees.                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE asked whether any vacancies are difficult to fill              
 because of a lack of interest, or because the board doesn't do                
 anything, and whether any of those boards can be eliminated.  He              
 noted sunset reviews are controversial and political in nature.  He           
 hoped the committee could assist Ms. Smith in consolidation and/or            
 elimination efforts.  MS. SMITH recalled the last effort made in              
 that area was by the joint committee put together by Mr. Babcock.             
 She believes the process of eliminating a board is difficult                  
 because volunteer boards are an inexpensive service delivery                  
 mechanism for the state.  One must look at the costs as well as the           
 benefits, and determine whether a less expensive way of getting the           
 same services exists.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 275                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR MACKIE told Ms. Smith he appreciates her enthusiasm and               
 efforts to boost participation in state government, and hoped the             
 committee's comments were not interpreted as suggesting that boards           
 cost more than they are worth.  He believes it is very worthwhile             
 for the Legislature to periodically examine all activities within             
 the state to determine whether those activities continue to be                
 worthwhile.                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked Ms. Smith to return before the committee next            
 Tuesday to continue review of the list of vacancies and other                 
 questions.                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked if staff is made available to boards or            
 if boards must hire their own staff.  MS. SMITH replied, for the              
 most part, boards have staff, but increasingly the work is                    
 performed by employees who are providing staff services in their              
 spare time.  She felt the budget process is an important place to             
 ask those questions to ensure boards can do their jobs.                       
                                                                               
 Number 233                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN asked Ms. Smith to review the January 20 letter and            
 provide the following:                                                        
      1.  the names and numbers of those not reappointed;                      
      2.  the method of notification for those replaced;                       
      3.  copies of all correspondence to incumbent boards and                 
      commission members and copies of all letters from incumbent              
      board and commission members;                                            
      4.  a list of all applicants for each seat filled on boards;             
      5.  the amount of time each seat remained vacant for each                
      board or commission, particularly those seats that remain                
      vacant;                                                                  
      6.  confirmation of Mr. Ayers' response to question #7 and               
      whether that response includes the full extent of the                    
      procedure used by the Boards and Commissions Office; and                 
      7.  information on the policy and process used to determine              
      mid-term replacements.                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN stated her intent in obtaining this information is             
 to seek improvement and to answer constituent inquiries about the             
 process.  She added she is still very concerned that some boards              
 were almost decimated, even though they have not come up for                  
 discussion at this hearing.  She is concerned that people who serve           
 on boards not be embarrassed by an untimely replacement,                      
 particularly those in professional positions.  She asked how people           
 who are full-time employees are notified that they will not be                
 retained.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 165                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR WARD asked Ms. Smith to provide the committee with                    
 information on recruitment or contact procedures of nominees and              
 for recommendations as to how the committee might be able to help             
 get more information out about boards and commissions because most            
 Alaskans are unaware of vacancies and how to apply.                           
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN GREEN adjourned the meeting at 5:03 p.m.                             

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